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Censor this!Posted Thursday, May 28, 2009, at 5:15 PM
Skull and crossbones, skull and crossbones, is this evil, is this evil?
Harry Potter, Harry Potter, should we burn it, should we burn it? AC/DC, AC/DC, do not listen, do not listen. Art, literature and music have historically been under the watchful eye of censors. Censorship often comes from groups who fear evil forces lurking within the pages of books, in the lyrics of songs and on symbols fashionably displayed in today’s clothing trends. Fear of these unknown evil forces lurking in society dates as far back as the Salem Witch Trials. Trials that allowed fear to be the acceptable standard used to judge and condemn the unknown. Today, the same fear thrives as a control used to keep these evils out of society. Now, witch trials only exist in the passages of books that recount horrifying truths of a past we now find unbelievable. In their place is an evolved form of judgment that keeps history alive each time a book is called evil, music is denounced as demonic, or artwork is labeled as a subliminal message from the depths of hell. It is this judgment that fuels modern-day censorship. It is the generational passage of this judgmental-thought process that gives censorship a secure spot in the future of American society. Children know evil only as an abstract notion passed on to them as a truth from the mind of an adult. As adults, we hold the power to shape the innocent minds of our children as we choose to be guided in fear or in love. A childhood guided by love is a passage into a future full of acceptance and growth. A childhood guided by fear is a passage into a future marked with uncertainty and distrust. Use your life wisely as it is a path in time that connects today to tomorrow. Will fear of a book, song, or symbol be your mark on the future? Timberly is staff writer at the Daily World. She can be reached by e-mail at tferree@dailycitizen.com or by phone at 1-800-947-4487 or (812) 847-4487. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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"A childhood guided by love is a passage into a future full of acceptance and growth.
A childhood guided by fear is a passage into a future marked with uncertainty and distrust."
These comments are a great example of our country today. Why would a parent want a child to be accepting of non-biblical principles? Growth is not defined as acceptance of anything immoral or ungodly.
I agree with censorship of material that is not fit for a child or most adults to see or hear. Even the motion picture industry uses ratings. Imagine that.
"Children know evil only as an abstract notion passed on to them as a truth from the mind of an adult."
So do you honestly believe there is no such thing as evil, that it exists only as a "notion passed on...[by] adults?
Parents should decide what their children are exposed to.
Unfortunately, there are people out there that want to pull them down to their level and expose them to all the filth and garbage that would never have been tolerated a generation ago.
Since you are an expert on the contents of the Bible, then you surely understand to "abstain from all appearance of evil."
Why do Liberals want children to have access to everything BUT the Bible ? Why is freedom of speech only what Liberals espouse ?
I agree. Parents are need to be held responsible for what their children are exposed to and at what times they are exposed to them. Caution and careful thought need to be put into this process. Everyone is different when it comes to when they mature and when they can handle certain topics and this should be considered when exposing and introducing children to more mature things. Censorship is needed to preserve innocence, build character, and to set moral guidelines for one's life. Being a young adult, I am sickened at the way I hear children and other young adults talk and how they act. Adults need to realize they are responsible for shaping the mind of the little ones they willingly chose to bring into this world. If adults can't "man up", they shouldn't be reproducing at all. Back to the point, censorship is necessary.
Amen, Evolouie!
Evolouie, Obviously you didn't get the point. Has America been this dumb-downed? Liberals want all literature taught in the schools EXCEPT Christianity. Global warming has been proven to be a hoax, yet Liberals cram it down our throats. Democrats in the Politburo, er, Obama Administration are now seriously considering a 25% National Sales Tax. But back to the topic, Liberals only care about their own views, not others. Conservatives allow freedom of thought, speech, and expression. Good, responsible parents and teachers can, and should censor all material that their children and students are exposed to. Good parents raise good kids. Bad parents raise bad kids (because they aren't raised). Look around.Look at all the boys running around with ear rings and tattoos. Watch how they mistreat women. Now wonder why there are so few REAL men in this area. Listen to the foul language that these kids, and adults use. Not Mine. Why? Censorhip by me !!!
That is what Joan is doing on her blog site since she won't allow comments. Why have a blog if your not going to allow comments!
Excellent article Timberly, keep up the good work!
Evolouie, Again, you don't seem to be able to grasp the point. Is that because you only want to see what you want to see rather than the truth? As a parent, a good one, I shield my children from pornography. That's right. I don't allow them access to it. I also shield them from alcohol, tobacco, and drugs. I censor the language they use. I tell them that if they want tatoos, then that will be their decision when they grow up. You see, there are certain decisions that children should not be allowed to make. Or at least they should be guided in these decisions by wiser people. As kids age, they should be given more rope over time. But let us not just not parent and send kids out to make stupid choices with no guidance whatsoever. If one is not willing to paret one's child, then don't have one. You wouldn't get a puppy and not take care of it would you? Then don't do that to a human being. Oh, check your facts, global warming does NOT exist and your Democrats are seriously considering a 25% national sales tax. Get off of CNN and PMSNBC once in awhile and look at the real world around you. Good day !!
"Liberals want all literature taught in the schools EXCEPT Christianity."
Huh? Christianity is not literature. It is a religion. If you think public school is the place for religious teachings, you're in a tiny, fringe minority. Likely the same one that rejects scientific findings so that you can abdicate your part of the responsibility for what we have done to the environment.
Circle, Obviously you don't get the point either. Liberals have no problem with pornography, devil worship, and political brainwash taught in the schools. But to them, Christian Literature is not to be allowed. As for your other comment, scientists will find the result that they are paid to find. Go live in a third world country for year (I did) and tell me that the environment is better there than here. Go back in time a hundred years and tell me that the sanitatation and air quality in U.S. cities was better then.
I don't understand how a few loud-spoken liberals can say anything and expect others to fall in line behind them.
If they don't want censorship, then why censor the life of a baby in the womb?
If they don't want censorship, then why do they want the "fairness" doctrine to be re-instated on talk radio?
If they don't want censorship, then why do they want limits on the 2nd ammendment to keep and bear arms?
If they don't want censorship, then why are they so afraid of the Bible being taught alongside of other written works in school?
As for God and Christianity, how can a group, not speaking for the majority of Americans (over 80% of Americans profess a belief in God), be so proud of believing in nothing?
This group of "nothinarians" will not provide the leadership, courage, or return to a moral America. If we are to provide a better America for our children then we must provide discipline, structure, responsibiltiy and censorship until they can vote for the government that works for the people and not to the people.
Thomas Jefferson said, "When the people are afraid of the government, that is tyranny. When the government is afraid of the people, then that is liberty."
Well said Cow Rancher !!!
Well said times two Cow Rancher!
"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
Thomas Jefferson
An excellent quote. While Thomas Jefferson was wrong on many things, he was right about this. The people are to be relied on for our liberty, not the government.
The whole argument that the Bush administration controlled the media is laughable. Obamavision has now been introduced through the white house when touchy subjects come up. No press allowed. The only time a government has bowed to the media is under weak leadership who need to secure a poll to make a decision.
At least president Bush had the courage to name his enemies. He did not need a biased press to tell him who to bow to.
This country has been enslaven to this ridiculous legislature for too long. Their wish to reinstate the fairness doctrine makes all of your non-censorship points moot.
First of all let me state that I believe everyone has the right to believe what they want christianity, islam, buddhism, ect....
But since we want to bring religion into the debate of censorship everyone that are using the bible to support morality need to open up the book and maybe read a little deeper. Because if you take the bible as complete fact and you agree with it all, then you are pretty low on the the morality totem pole.
Having said that I still think that religion should be taught in school, the key word here being taught, not preached. Let's let our children at the highschool level decide for them selfs not us decide for them.
And since were all throwing Thomas Jefferson quotes around lets just have look at this one.
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man" Thomas Jefferson
Stop drinking the kool-aid!
Let me get this straight.
In your opinion:
There is no God.
There are no absolutes.
Every man is out for themselves.
All information is good for everyone to hear. (What about Obama holding back the pictures of "enhanced interogation"?)
Evolution got you to where you are(and your children will be even more evolved...pending inhereted mutations).
Global warming is killing us all. (that flooding will get rid of San Francisco and Cuba).
The government, only under Republicans, is evil. Democrats (liberals) have all the answers.
Abortion is "OK".
America should get along with every nation, even those determined to kill us.
If you say something is a fact, it is not debatable.
I bet you even think a great way to help our children prosper, greater than us, is to create a socialized, even playing field by having higher taxes for those who earn more money. Then give those who don't, rebate checks to help them through their hard times. Whatever happened to Darwinism? Shouldn't America also operate under the guise of "survival of the fittest"? If GM doesn't have a working business plan or products that Americans want to buy, shouldn't it be allowed to go bankrupt (not have it's CEO fired by our government-Obama)?
Your world describes anarchy.
Lack of information control leads to chaos. If you truly believe "censorship is always bad, then what is your name, adddress and social security number?
Who were you commenting on there cow rancher? Just wandering.
Maybe you Quazar if you want it to be, but I just bet it is EVO and the infinite wisdom that he/she has posted. And I truly feel sorry for you if you think the bible is evil.
People who want to censor books need to do so in the home. It's called parenting. Will that prevent everything from coming in sight of your child...No! Then the hard part starts...you gotta talk about. Nobody ever said parenting would be easy. Too bad too many parents choose to pass the buck....which brings me to the education of your child. Do you really want a teacher to be your child's religious advisor. Can't a parent do that at home? What if your teacher is a Muslim.
The censorship thing should be looked at for what it is. Another Far Left/Far Right ploy to gain some kind of advantage of the opposite side. Conservative radio personalities talk about taxes, guns, and the delining morals of a nation. All hot topics that grab the listeners attention. They don't have any applicable ideas...they just rant. People listen...listeners make the radio stations money..therefore more right wing crazies on the air. I guess left wing crazies aren't as interesting. The left wing crazies see this as an unfair advantage and want to change it. They are afraid too many Rush's will sway the middle of the road voters. Funny thing is right wing crazies on the radio complain about the left wing crazies control the TV. More comedy from our political parties.
By the way the Human race has been a group of sinners for a long time...not a new thing. The decline of our morals is sorta like a republicans views on global warming. Were we more morally sound during slavery times? What about in the late 1800's when immigrants lived what amounted to a slaves life in the factories. There has always been good and bad. We just get it quicker and in better color than before. Censorship won't change a thing.
Quit quoting Thomas Jefferson! We could be here a long time with quotes from a man who seemed to walk a fence that he fall from one side to the other frequently. He was probably a religious man in the renaissance mold(God set up the pieces and let science do the rest).
Censorship, abortion, the media, and religion is not the true problem with this country. The true problem is lobbying. Our right as citizens, to elect a person of the people, by the people, and for the people has been stole away by the lobbiest of corporate america.
An elected person who ever that may be democrat or republican, is elected to do the will of the people, not the will of corporate america. When you have a politician voting on the side of corporate america instead of voting on the side of the people that elected him he is commiting treason upon to the american people.
So until we fix this problem and everyone stop bickering between democrat and republican nothing will ever get done. They just want to keep us bickering like this, while they just sit back and watch the money role in. Because coporate america is not on either side democrat or republican, they are loyal to only one thing and that is money.
My name is xxxxx xxxx, my address is xxxxxx xxx xxxxxxx, xxxxxx, IN and my social is xxx-xx-xxxx. CENSORED!
Remember, I am not the one who said "censorship is always bad." You are. Yet you censored information because it was convenient for you to do. You can disguise it as private, but you are not very private on your blog.
As always, people on your side of the political world believe in something until it is not convenient any more. To change your opinion,as the wind blows, is dangerous for all of America.
Our government has "classified" (censored) information for a reason. To protect us.
Speaking of protecting us, thank a veteran, police officer, firefighter, military support personel or soldier today.
Without them, you and I would have no outlet to agree to disagree.
LOL
Still...LOL...Oh no, my neighbors house is on fire! I know, I'll call a liberal blogger!
Inspires Evil now that is funny
Nutzz you can't argue with him there. Because if you dont believe that parts of the old testement were evil in nature somethings wrong. Slaughtering whole villages man, women, and children. I just find that hard to believe that god would tell one man to command his armies to do this. Especially an all loving forgiving god. I think someone knew how to manipulate the masses and that person was just a mere man. This kind of writings, is what makes people (fanatics) think its ok to kill and do evil things in the name of god, thus mean it inspires evil.
Believe as you will
I'm not sure what the error of men has to do with God. I find it funny that you would mock those who pick and choose which parts of the Bible they apply to their lives...yet that is exactly what you are doing. The Bible is a comprehensive book that takes more than a mere speed read to understand.
The Koran and Bible are two completely different books. The Koran didn't even inspire those men to fly their planes into buildings(which would have been the book they were applying to their lives). It was hate and exteme fanatics that decided to pick and choose which parts of their religious doctrine to follow.
Getting a bit back on track here, I find it somewhat amusing, and more than a bit hypocritical, that a blogger here writes about censorship, implying that it is bad, when this very forum censors users comments.
I wonder how long it will take for this comment to be censored?
Give it up evolution/evoluie I dont care what your opinion is or will be
cow rancher: Evolouie called your bluff & you folded with rhetoric, smoke & mirrors.
nutzz6934: If all positive or "good" learned behaviour originates from and gives credit to the bible, where does negative or "bad" originate from? Some other religious text?
Qauzar: My sentiments exactly. Open minded, so called middle of the road opinions are sadly ignored in the eternal quest of the right and the left to be "more correct" than the other side.
Question?: Good point.
In perspective, the GCDW clearly advises commentors to express themselves in a way that wouldn't embarrass your Grandparents. If someone can't or won't abide by that, they should expect their comments to get booted or "censored". They're also free to find another forum.
As far as bloggers in this forum who do not allow comments or discard those that do not agree with them, well, I don't read their stuff anyway.
I have a feeling of pity for those who spew out words, thinking they are profound thoughts, to try and defend their points of view.
I admit, I am just a dumb farmer, but I know reality when I see/hear it and evolouie, you are not a spokesperson for reality.
Just because you have no hope (no athiest does) once you die does not give you the right to prosthetize your athiestic (thereby becoming an agnostic), socialist agenda without being challenged.
You keep droning on and on for responders to answer your questions when you don't answer questions given to you.
To include yourself, a liberal blogger, as someone who protects me is a lie. You can't even protect yourself. Also, to excuse away your points of view as fact just reinforces the same liberal/progressive/socialist talking points especially already given by Micheal Newdow and Richard Dawkins. With freedom of speech, these folks have the right to their opinion. If they were in the Saddam empire of unfree Iraq, they would have been beheaded for speaking their mind.
You have no facts behind your thoughts which makes your statements as invalid as anyone else, even mine.
The difference between you and me is that I am optimistic, people serving (not self-serving), a provider of food for others, God and Jesus loving and have knowledge that people can and do change when they accept Christ. I look for the good in people and encourage them to proceed to further greatness.
It requires faith to accept Christ just as it requires faith to assume that you have a brain (I have not seen either).
By the way, I called the ACLU( just kidding) to help put out the fire at my neighbors house. The liberal bloggers failed to bring the hose and the ACLU kept arguing with each other as to who they could blame for things going wrong. Their conclusion was that it was the fault of the conservative teachers who told them to take responsibility for their actions. Imagine that.
Thankfully, my local fire department, police and guard came and helped the people in times of need. The local church offered food and drinks for the family and the red cross was there to offer clothing and housing.
This community is full of helpful people who don't ask for anything in return. The Rotary, Civitan, Chamber, churches, Pregnancy Choices (and many others, too numerous to name), and many individuals that do things secretly.
Don't get mad at my post until you have thought about it...I sure hope I am not censored.
"Be nice to others as everyone is having a hard day!" Dr. Truance
cow rancher
I'm curious, who should I thank for your community service? You or God? If you are a good person because God tells you to be, then you deserve no gratitude and no acknowledgement. Supposedly you'll get that from God after you die. Well, acknowledgement or 72 virgins...
You assume incorrectly that people who don't believe as you do cannot be caring, optimistic, giving people who are also active in the needs of their community.
Living with those principals only because its the right thing to do, the best way to be for the benefit of all is common sense, not a directive from God.
GCC,
The debate was over if the bible inspires evil, if an evil person picks something evil in it to act upon that mean it is inspiring evil. Don't get me wrong it inspires good things to i never denied that. But it does inspire both and thats a fact.
Back to the topic....
Its common sense (or it should be)that censorship is required to protect and nurture the innocent. There is provable, verifiable and irrefutable evidence that exposing minds to material that the mind lacks the maturation necessary to correctly process is predominately damaging.
There is also proof that misleading or starving a mind of information has negative consequences. Information is education and education both positive and negative is valuable.
Evolouie hit it on the head, the problem with "blanket" censorship lies in WHO gets to decide what should be censored. I'm against laws, regulations and rules governing censorship. I think it should be an individual's choice and responsibility, free and clear.
Whether its faith in religion or faith in oneself that propels us to be good and make good choices makes no difference at all.
cow rancher and Evolouie can go at each other all day about who is more right than the other & why. Thats just entertainment.
by the way, cow rancher, YOU are the one dodging the questions, even your own...I'm just sayin....
Timberly, thank you for a great article!
Blue eyedame, Your first and third points are contradictary. Your first point does make a lot of sense.
The point that you missed is that since the statement that no censorship should happen, all info should be out there. I believe in censorship, therefore I have not dodged any questions or proceeded to be a hypocrite.
How terrible that we have people in our community that revere the ACLU and themselves above our military and emrgency personel.
The tide will turn one day when your life is extinguishing, you need help, but can't get yourself to dial 911, due to pride. Then you are staring at an eternity without God. More horrible than that is to think that when you are breathless, you will just be thrown in the ground with no home for your soul.
Censorship is necessary for those who lack the intellect and maturity to handle information. Parents should control the flow of information to their children. Our government must have classified (censored) information to provide the protection for the common defense guaranteed in our constitution. To do otherwise is chaotic, and dangerous for all of America.
Lots of good points made by both sides.
The main problem as I see it, as with many issues, is that "the devil is in the details".
If censorship is needed, how can it be implemented without being abused?
Cow Rancher,
The problem is tho that they just cant censor stuff to protectu us they use that as a cover to pass out no bid contracts and over bid contracts to coporations so that they can make money. Money that should be in the american tax payers pockets. You are right national securities things should be censored, but giving halliburton 1000 dollars for a hammer and 150 dollars for the nail is just upsurd. They also censor things like that, because those are pentigon contracts and have to do with national security (ya right). So without out people who are fighting to get documents like that released, we the tax payers would still be paying for stuff like that.
cow rancher
Another wrong assumption and snap judgement on your part. You don't get to decide if I have a God.
And frankly, my dear, you shouldn't give a damn. Minding your own business & not incorrectly labeling people is just good manners.
Question? asks the perfect question.
Qauzar: Yup, another avenue for abuse of power via a censorship debate defense.
I have a few concerns (but few problems...remember, I am an optimist):
Agnostics (promote Godlessness)
Apathetics (don't care about anything or taking responsibility)
Antagonists (argue for the sake of arguing-usally illogical but mostly defensive)
False Witnesses (liars)
Social Progressives (the new liberal definition)
Conspiracy Theorists (paranoid citizens who think the government has time to waste planning illogical schemes)
Pink eye getting to my cows this summer.
Thanks for some agreement and for your discussion.
Is it me or does Timmy NEVER answer the questions posed here? If it's a blog shouldn't you blog back? Do you think everyone here is an idiot and not worthy of a response?