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Bad Apples Ruin the Bunch...Posted Friday, April 2, 2010, at 9:42 PM
There are a few issues that have not been discussed in this blog and abortion is one of them. The only reason it is being discussed now is in light of Scott Roeder's trial. Mr. Roeder shot and killed abortion doctor George Tiller while they were in Tiller's home church, news sources say.
For what reason? What kind of justification did Mr. Roeder give for a grotesque act? Quoting Mr. Roeder: There was nothing being done, and the legal process had been exhausted, and these babies were dying every day. I felt that if someone did not do something, he was going to continue (http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/01/kansas.abortion.roeder.sentence/index.html?iref=storysearch). So Mr. Roeder felt, in his heart of hearts, that he was Biblically led to kill another man for a higher cause. I have read my Bible from cover to cover and would like someone to tell me where this lunatic got his perverse interpretation. Mr. Roeder's heinous act illustrates so many things, but this is what happens when civility is absent. Mr. Roeder's vigilance is now the unwanted symbol of pro-lifers, much like Cindy Sheehan was for those against the Iraq War. Look, abortion is a tough issue with little room of compromise, but the least people can be is civil. There is no room for the kind of wickedness that Mr. Roeder displayed in this country. This kind of extremism gives a bad name to hard working, loving, and peaceful people who believe in the cause of ending abortion. I can only hope churches across the country, and especially in Greene County, put a schism between themselves and their practices and the vile interpretations and actions of people like Mr. Roeder, and they do it soon. Take care and Happy Easter. Till Next Time... Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Using God as justification for killing another human being isn't anything new. I always find it rather disturbing some people can quote a verse or two supporting an act of violence, yet forget basic principles of christianity.
The Bible is clear on the issue of abortion. It's interesting to read in the Mosaic law that even accidentally causing the death of an unborn child would result in the execution via stoning of the guilty. (Ex. 21:22, 23) However, stoning is not a practice today, and it is exteme, to put it mildly, to interpret the above scripture as a right to kill another human over the issue. Christ instituted the greater law of love, which dictates extending love toward, not just those we love, but also our enemies.
Who of us is so perfect, that we have the right to judge another? The Bible also says it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. How much better it is to acknowlege that abortion is wrong, but love the wrongdoer, as Christ taught, and leave the judgement up to God.
That's just my opinion.
Once again Drew, WHAT IS YOUR POINT? You claim this blog is going to be about abortion but it is about a man who murdered another man because he performed abortions, which conflicted with the murderer's belief system. I think you--here we go again--just want to start trouble by sneaking in a couple of your favorite controversial subjects (politics and religion). Honestly, do you not have anything better to do? Time to graduate, little buddy.
So my point was these extreme measures people take hurt their cause more so than help it. Such delusional actors make the rational players, who believe the same thing but not as extreme, get painted with the same brush, and it is not fair.
I'm starting to like these pet names people are calling me. First it was "sport" that Lil' Hahn called me (which was roughly 15 times) in his/her post, and now I get "little buddy." It's like I'm a sidekick!!
Drew, thank you for your response. Unfortunately you just proved my point. What does your first sentence (commonly known in writing circles as a topic sentence) have to do with the rest of your blog? What purpose did you have in mind when you chose your first sentence? It just seemed to me to be provocative and unnecessary in relation to the rest of the blog.
I think one could argue his first sentence seems to be an attention getter to a introductory paragraph. Those pesky things don't work quite like a regular paragraph, which would have a topic sentence...then again this is a blog not an essay to be turned in for a grade.
As for better things to do...if you have time edit Drew's blog and take backhanded jabs at his choice to go back to school(which I applaud...he is choosing to go back to school and pursue something he is passionate about)...who really needs something better to do.....wait I'm replying to another poster on a blog...I need to find something better to do too.
The English lectures are funny. None of us are professional writers yet we see a lot of criticism of semantics and grammar. A lot of the comments we read on blog entries and news articles on this site are off topic and here we are arguing about one danged sentence.
If we were paying to access this site or reading some professional journal, it might be different. But proper English isn't necessary for the setting, we can make a point without having the English skills of a Ph.D.
What I got of the article is that radicals don't represent the majority of Americans and we shouldn't allow radicals to distract from open, thoughtful conversation. We can disagree without being disagreeable.
I also add that, from my experience, Drew's blog is one place on this site people can say quite a bit, speaking their mind, without having to worry about their opinion being deleted or comments being disabled altogether. I appreciate that.
Well, this is funny because I got an entirely different meaning from the blog! I thought the first sentence and the last one were the main points! 1) it was about abortion (which he hadn't addressed yet) and 2) he wants churches, in this county especially, to do better than they have in addressing all aspects of abortion (pro & con).
I guess ... because I don't understand exactly what is meant by "put a schism between themselves and their practices and the vile interpretations and actions of people like Mr. Roeder, and they do it soon." A schism? Do you just mean seperate themselves from the crazies? That I understand and agree with. So tell me, what church(es) in this county doesn't do that and/or even encourages crazies? I don't think there are any and I don't think Drew does either. (Drew just likes to incite thought.) Or "are" there churches in our county that are encouraging violence against abortion providers? If so, what churches are they, Drew? I would like to know. If you know of any, they should be exposed.
I abhor abortion but understand both sides. Is that possible? Yes! I believe my church feels that way, too. I am the church, you are the church, we are the church ...
While I could not find any churches, I did, however, find a question Sean Hannity posed in his online forum about the shooting over a year ago. It asked: Is Scott Roeder a hero? Like I mentioned, it was posed over a year ago in Hannity's forum, but it still receives current posts. The link is below and I encourage you, and everyone else for that matter, to check it out and browse through the comments. Educational to say the least.
Here's the link to Hannity's forum where the question is posed:
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php...
I think he more so wants the churches to come out and vocally discourage actions like this. Although I haven't heard any churches condone this man, I have heard individuals, to an extent, defend him by acting like his rationale was half-way reasonable. I understand the pro-life view, but Mr. Roeder had no reasoning behind his actions.
schism: a split, division, or seperation
There is an implied schism between the church and extremism, unless you attend Westboro in Kansas. Most churches do not condone radical or extreme acts. I believe Drew was saying they need to be more vocal in their opposition to extremism.
There are people who think Roeder and others like him, who commit or threaten extreme or radical acts, are representative of all Christians. I think Drew is saying the church should "put a schism" by publicly addressing that.
I agree with James
The bible says alot of things. Should we follow it all? Think about it women! I am pro choice because I feel it should be a choice each individual should make, concerning their own body. However, choosing to murder someone to defend your beliefs about killing, defeats the point, doesn't it. If abortion was banned, desperate women would do it illegally anyway, or we may end up with more "dumpster babies". While people should practice safe sex if they don't want children, the fact is sometimes they don't.
I also agree with the person above. I read the first post of Hannity's forum and this statement by one of the posters disgusted me to an extreme. " I call the man who shot him a hero. And in my thinking it happening in a church might be a statement of its own.
I know....murder is illegal (and) two wrongs don't make a right, but it seems to me that sometimes somebody has just got to step up and do something about such a blatant horrifying thing that's being done to the most precious and helpless beings."
That is straight up demented thinking. He goes on to indirectly refer to Roeder as a "warrior". I just can't believe people think that it was good thing he did.
Lorhagatha: If you don't like Drew's blogs than why do you continue reading them? Maybe it's you that "just wants to start trouble" by arguing with every point that he makes or maybe it's personal with you. If you don't like them, DON"T READ THEM!!!
The abortion doctor was certainly no Christian. I doubt Mr. Roeder was a Christian either. Just because a person says they are Christian doesn't make them a Christian...just like living in a doghouse doesn't make you a dog. Neither man appreciated life and souls and Mr. Roeder should be punished for his murderous act.
As far as a few badd apples spoiling the bunch... Notice how rotten America has gotten since Obama and his cronies have taken office. To pass a healthcare bill, which 70% of the American public opposed, shows his arrogance and that he is "the rotten apple".
Vote the losers out in 2010 and 2012!
Kool-aid is on sale at Krogers!!!
I give up. Entropy, take us.
Darn it. I told myself I would never respond to this blog again. Sigh.
Eastern Greene Mom,
Obama figurines and posters are on sale at Wal-Mart. Kool-Aid is 3 packs for a dollar!
Get 'em now before the VAT kicks in.
Apparently you are new to blogs, especially to this blog.
If I was racist, I would have said something like you did.
As far as your name-calling goes. You have just fullfilled one of the requirements for a progressive liberal...when you can't win a debate, call someone names.
Great intellectual comeback! Wipe the Kool-aid off your upper lip now.
And cow rancher you have now fullfilled a requirement to be a conservative elitist who batters and belittles people who have a different opinion. Since when were you even debating...being a troll(a little blog lingo for you) and throwing in a few Obama jabs on every single blog...doesn't exactly qualify as a debate. Then again you routinely spin your opinion to be fact.
The blog is about a few bad apples. When will you libs get the idea that you are not the majority but just a loud minority.
I believe GCC and EGM qualify as bad apples.
I also believe you qualify as birds of a feather flocking together.
Come join the tea party in Bloomington and you will see that all we really want is:
Constitutional conservatism
Small government interferance
Personal freedom and accountability
I bet that you and your ilk not only didn't pay any fedareal taxes but also got some money back.
The American people have been sandbagged by this administration, Congress and all the other reps. who voted on the sham healthcare bill.
You'll see that I always try to tell the truth. If I do make an error I admit it.
By the way , the Kool-Aid isn't on sale at Kroger, it's at Marsh.
I know one thing, you are definitely in the "top
percentage" of "large" braggers too.
If you are a "large " business owner, then I'm sure you oppose the VAT (value added tax-in case you are new to Google too) proposed by your beloved grand leader of universe (in his mind). You are also looking forward to him canceling the Bush tax cuts and increasing capital gains. If you also pay for health insurance for employees, you will certainly enjoy the increased premiums that you will be paying to allow the 10-30 million (notice how accurate the accounting is) who don't work to have insurance.
You will, eventually, (if you are telling the truth) get sick of your bloated government taking money away from you and giving it to some slob who could care less about whether they work or not.
How can you not like freedom? Are you also against our troops and the millions of veterans who have fought and died for your right to earn a living and to brag on the internet to anonymous people. Isn't this privilage of freedom what our Constitution guarantees? You don't know it yet, but the tea party patriots are also preserving YOUR freedom, whether you want them to or not.
cow rancher- I guess you have proven my point. You belittle and try to discredit anyone who sees things differently than you.
I pay taxes just like the next guy. I do find it interesting that you assume someone that doesn't mind paying taxes is a jobless parasite on the economy.
I'm not completely sold on the current healtcare reforms, but that doesn't mean I was against some type of reform. It seems the statistics you keep babbling about say that very thing. Healthcare reform was probably needed...just too many people think this may not have been the best way. That doesn't exactly qualify as 70% are against it.
I watched the tea party's little convention. I like the speakers who spoke about being smarter with our money...I laughed out loud at the people who used the same old scare tactics. Interesting that liberals use starving/sick children to promote their agenda, while conservatives keep talking about my pocket book to promote theirs.
I don't know you personally, so I find it interesting that you seem to know if I'm a bad apple. For all your talk of freedom you sure have an issue with someones basic right to think and say what they want to. If that is what the true tea party stands for....I'll stay as far away as possible.
Mr Roeder and Mr. Tiller were both bad apples. Good riddance to both of them.
As for you other two peaches (since you are convinced that you or your kind (progressive liberals)are not apples), I and the other two readers of this blog are glad you found each other.
Perhaps you can meet for tea or something.
Go ahead and tuck your predictable mantras in your pocket for the next Constitutional Conservative (not republican) that you come across. I'm sure you can convince others of your altruistic motives and elevate your own intelligence, by comparison, by telling others how "ignorant, insulting, jealous, etc..." they are. I bet everyone wishes they were just like you!....just kidding, not really.
For the other couple of readers....doesn't a juicy hamburger sound good about now? GO MEAT!
Thanks for the "good day" wish...I return it to you as well.
My position is: I will tell others when they are wrong, factually and morally. I can do that as I do represent all the majority of Americans who:
1. believe in personal freedom apart from an oppressive government
2. Believe the government has no right , Constitutionally, to invade our lives (monitarily, through imposition of un-constitutional laws or immorality...i.e. abortion).
3. believe in personal accountability and responsibility (this entitlement mindset has infected our culture and our children and grandchildren are already paying the price) Sometimes parents need to do what's right and hard by doling out punishment that is inconvenient for them not just let their children run wild and turn out like them.
4. Morally, I can call out those who , I believe, will hurt my grandchildrens generation and those who proudly stand behind the over 50 million dead babies who have been torn from their mother's womb because it was inconvenient for them to be accountable for their actions. Adoption people! It is my first ammendment right as well.
You are really good at telling me how wrong my opinions are while spewing your own (ignorance and insults)....hypocrite.
I will also "call-out" any attempt by the left radicals to contort the truth and promote liberal progressivism-socialism. Our country is center-to-right leaning and deserves representation too. Not just a couple of people who have glutonously consumed the Kool-aid of the Obama administration. At least you could try to think through a point of view instead of repeating talking points.
I will continue (as well as the rest of the tea party) to monitor the internet, public forums , bills in legislature and presidential abuses of power (as well as the republicans) for any socialized, marxist, liberal misinterpretation that we , thankfully, inherited from our Christian forefathers. We are not republicans or democrats. Most of us are independents who have never felt the need to protest before. Now, is the time to stand up for our American heritage, take back the freedom that is uniquely American and put the power back in the local hands and states. To do anything else is un-American!
Tonight...BBQ ribs!
cow rancher- Progressive liberal???? Seriously? I'm kind of a middle of the road guy, but I lean a little one way or the other depending on the issue. I like to think for myself, so nobody really represents me completely. Like everyone else I try to sift through the lies, half-truths, and hidden agendas. I've come to some different conclusions than you...that is OK. I respect your opinion...I don't respect belittling someone because they have different one.
If I was interested in mantras, altruistic motives, and elevating my intelligence...I would be a politician :)
Thank goodness for freedom of speech...maybe a few of you should see about starting a debate show. We all have opinions and beliefs and they don't have to be the same. THAT is one reason America is beautiful and wonderful. There are also many religions, and yet each one thinks they are right and another is wrong...or we pick and choose what we like out of the bible. Is that right? We live in a world that is not perfect, and will never be perfect. Be glad you are not one of the unfortunate souls who are abused or face some of the horrors of the world. (i hope you aren't anyway)While we all don't agree, at least we have the freedom to disagree. Thanks and Everyone have a great day!
A person can be moral from most religions and be moral with no religion.
However, how can anyone say abortion is moral?
I do support Greene County Right to Life and Davies County Right to Life. I also believe in abstinence until marriage.
To do otherwise is immoral (remember the ten commandments and adultery?)and putting oneself at risk for pregnancy, AIDS, herpes, syphillis, gonnorhea and countless mental distractions.
Freedom is freedom. It is the right to not be controlled by an oppressive government or others.
When one person crosses the boundries of personal freedom then that is what laws (and our Constitution) are for.
Our Constitution was written to LIMIT the federal powers to ensure the freedom of the states and individuals.
By the way, there is a waiting list for parents who can't conceive to adopt. Your point is moot.
You are right Vera. Our veterans have fought and died for the right to speak, right or wrong.
Unfortunately, the Obama administration is shutting out the American opinion and voice by ramming his agenda down our throats.
November 2 is approaching. Thank God!
How exactly is Obama shutting out opinion. He was naive enough to believe in the town hall fiascos. If anything the resistance from conservatives in Congress forced his hand. He knows if he doesn't get it down now...Congress will bog down. I blame both sides for their refusal to work for the people instead of against each other.
The Congress and Federal government are best during gridlock... nothing gets done and people have less interferance to succeed and fail. The less government intervention, the more freedom for the people.
Granted, the federal government has a few needed services that are specified under article 10, but lets draw the line there. People have elected gutless thieves who have lined their own pockets instead of brave, thinking souls who care about protecting our Constitution.
It's about time to light the smoker and put the dry rub on the beef ribs. GO MEAT!
Article 10 is good, but too many amendments cloud the line. The interpretation of the amendments further the federal governments scope of power. Sometimes it is good...other times it is unecessary. Take civil rights...The federal government should have forced the states to comply...then within that same amendment...we have the argument over gay marriage.
Hey Drew, on an upcoming blog lets discuss some of the properties in the area--not the vacant ones, but the ones people live in and continually stockpile junk or cars etc. My neighbor is one who has not a square foot of grass showing due to the junk!!!!
The longer you leave this blog on the internet, the more I think you are glorifying George Tiller's occupation of an abortion advocate.
Since most people have never learned what is entailed in different kinds of abortions, I am posting the link. It may seam harsh to read the details, but it is the person you are edifying (for sure by inference).
http://www.lifesitenews.com/abortiontype...
In closing, abortion is a "grotesque act".
Agreed. We should quit giving the murder of very young children a PC name like 'abortion'. It is murder, plain and simple. It shouldn't happen and it is unconstitutional to allow it in this country.
Patrick Henry and the other founders were willing to sacrifice their lives for the high ideals of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. George Tiller sacrificed his life for the high ideal of.....baby murder?
He is no Martyr. He is a murderer who was killed by another murderer.
Hey, Drew, y'know that the "sport" thing was all just in good fun, righ? Time for another blog, this one has run its course, and a long and winding road it has been ...
Obviously people have strong opinions about whether murder is right or wrong. Who would think people would debate that? I don't think I could respect anyone's opinion who would condone murder, whether it is of an unborn child or a grown person (in church or out).
And I can see why this particular blog has gone astray. What is happening today in our country is very frightening to those of us with a sense of history and a love for what our country used to be. And this sense of unease has to come out somewhere, some way.
In a way I admire those of you who are so comfortable with socialism. You will do well and be happy in the future. I, on the other hand, honestly don't understand why anyone would want the government making all of the major decisions about their life? Only the weak and truly needy would, and are we (the majority) becoming that weak, too? I guess so ...
But I will never stop speaking out.