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State should analyze thoroughly before actingPosted Wednesday, June 8, 2011, at 1:09 PM
Medicaid users of Indiana: 1.
Mitch Daniels: 0. After "Our Man Mitch" signed a bill that was going to block $3.5 million in funding to Planned Parenthood in order to prevent taxpayer funded abortions, you better believe that some young women all throughout the state were red-faced. Despite the fact of whether they provided abortions, what about other services they provide? As teenage girls we have to experience our first Pap test. It is terrifying without the right support system. And ladies, you know that it is all about the doctor. Once you find that one doctor you are comfortable with, there is no changing. What about those of us that can't afford a real Gyno? Planned Parenthood is there to support those girls and women who have to endure that annual screening. It sure isn't as easy as "turn your head and cough." Then, there is the dreaded "pill." It is not cheap to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Planned Parenthood offers discounted birth control to those eligible. The funding cut was set forth to diminish the abortion rate of unplanned pregnancies, but also take away the most common way to avoid them. That is just a tad contradictory. Then, there are the STD screenings that would not be done if funding was cut. These screens can run up to $100 per test. Chances are, instead of coming up with the money on their own, they would just go without the test and an epidemic would begin. Most importantly, Planned Parenthood is there for those pregnancy scares. They offer the pregnancy tests, as well as counselors to speak with the woman. Cutting funding from 9,300 Indiana Medicaid users could create 5,000 unwanted pregnancies. Out of that, 2,000 babies might get neglected or just thrown into the system because their parents are so young or just without money. Sure, that may be a little excessive, but it is still the overall analysis. What if just 300 of that 9,300 could have contracted an STD? They can't get tested if there is no funding. Maybe 100 of those aren't with a steady partner, and they spread the disease to another 100, and so on and so forth. That would cause a mass outbreak. Kudos to the Health and Human Services Department for ensuring the safety of the people you take care of. By cutting a few million dollars from Planned Parenthood, they will end up funding a few thousand babies that will have to be on Medicaid. Everyone knows that babies aren't cheap. Come on, Indiana. Analyze thoroughly before acting. Pro-life or pro-choice, let's not throw thousands under the bus because of just a few who take a route you do not believe in. Sabrina is a staff writer for the Greene County Daily World. She can be reached by telephone at 847-4487 or by email at swestfall@gcdailyworld.com . Comments Showing most recent comments first [Show in chronological order instead] |
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It really doesn't matter now anyway! It looks like our great justice department is coming in to save the day for you all. As usual, they are sticking their nose in state business again!
Sabrina, very well said, obviously ARL has never been female, or young and in need of birth control. ARL there are other reason's for birth control, other than preventing pregnancy's... I will not elaborate as to what they are maybe this will give you something else to rant over... I'm glad everyone don't think like you!
Can anyone say loopholes! Look up and read about the Abby Johnson story. She goes into great detail and explains what PP does to get their money! And yes, from the government! But like I said you don't have to take my word for it or Ubelhor's. But you might have to look somewhere else other than PP's website. Abby worked for PP down in Texas, one of the largest PP in the US.
@ LovelyRitaMeterMaid, GCC, Lil' Hahn, HarveyGrant, mature4myage and EGRACER...
Your common sense is duly noted and appreciated, as well as is your vision to see that this is an attack on the poor, as are many of Mitch's plans.
I don't trust a word that comes out of Ubelhor's mouth. Who do you think is going to be hurt by the Federal funding cuts that Indiana is going to have imposed as a sanction by this act? People like you and me, that is who.
Get it through your heads for once and for all, it is AGAINST FEDERAL LAW FOR TAXPAYER MONEY TO BE USED TO FUND ABORTIONS. So ZERO of your tax dollars are being used to fund any abortion that happens as a result of a visit to PP.
Do you all think that the present administration in Washington is going to sacrifice all our elderly out here to keep killing 5000 babies? Just asking. We will definitely find out in September, when the judge makes her ruling.
Oh yeah, I guess the Christian Science Monitor knows. It doesn't really matter anyway does it? We have Obama care right?
now, now, now...i am a 21 year old who is 7 months pregnant. i wasn't in college the time of my pregnancy and had just turned 21...there for i lost my insurance through my parents. working at a local nursing home...you don't receive very good insurance. on top of that, i started having complications with my pregnancy and had to quit working when i was only 3 months pregnant... that meant no insurance for me and baby. i applied to medicaid to help with the doctor bills. i don't know how many of you have been pregnant, but even before baby gets here, she's expensive. ultra sounds, monthly check ups, lab work...all that would have had to come from my pocket. luckily, medicaid is paying 100% of this because i hit a hard spot when i got pregnant. who knows what could have happened if i hadn't been receiving proper medical care... i would have lost my baby. and it's not my fault at all i had to quit working at the nursing home. i tried applying numerous places but when you're visibly pregnant no one is going to hire you. i will continue to fight for planned parenthood and medicaid. just because pp does abortions, it's the individual that choices to have it done...if pp stops doing them, they'll just go somewhere else.
ARL. What do we have to worry about? The State of Indiana could lose 8 BILLION, not million in federal funding under this law. Again, it is against Federal Law to use money to for abortions. Also, the State may not pick and choose which providers are reimbursed by the State with Federal Medicaid money. This is a serious issue. We can lose billions of federal medicaid money. Money that pays for hoosier health wise. This is insurance for children.
I do not care what some politician may have told you, whether Rep. or Dem. This is what is at stake here. It is not only the money that planned parenthood recieves from the state, it is the money the federal government will withhold if funds are withheld from planned parenthood.
Here is a link. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/20...
Please read this. It is from the Christian Science Monitor.
So...does that mean your only citation would be Mr. Ueblhor??? I hope Matt his more knowledge of this particular area than the education issues(which he actually claimed to know nothing about).
I can't speak for sure about how the funding goes to Planned Parenthood. I do know that most things are combined with other things. For example abortion money may be tied to some of the prevention monies. One I could do without, but not the latter. I also notice an alarming trend within Mitch's plans. He doesn't cut things without an agenda. It would seem the private practices/heath centers(where exactly would one of those be located??) would benefit from this. It puts money in their pocket, which in turn could put money in the Mitch fund(you know the one that put nearly 100K in Matt's election fund). It is politics...Mitch tried to scratch someone's back...I'm sure he was expecting it to be reciprocated. Just a theory....
Ok I am sorry. I forgot you know everything. You still might want to look into a few things before you start accusing me as well. Thank you. I wasn't attacking anyone or their integrity. I was trying to point out some personal responsibility in this whole thing as did others.
So you are basing everything on what a politician says? I guess everyone on here should concede the point then because all info that politicians present is 100% true. Just like when Mr. Ubelhor told all the teachers in the county that none of the decisions being made at the state level would effect any of them in a negative way. Guess what, he lied because he didn't know what he was talking about. Is this the same legislator you are talking about?
I have one suggestion, quit assuming that you are the only one posting on here who knows anything. You tried to tell Harvey that it was his fault that his to be wife had to receive medical care from planned parenthood. What kind of bone head makes assumptions about a couple's medical history without even knowing them? Apparently it is the same kind of person who assumes that only THEY have ever been to the state legislature, and only THEY know what our local representative stands for and presents in legislative sessions. You are NOT the only person who posts on here that knows anything, so quit acting like it.
You want to share your opinion, fine, share it. However, trying to degrade the opinions of others by attacking their integrity and intelligence will only earn you disgrace.
Bullying? Really? Heaven forbid anyone use logic, reason or truth. There has been a little over exaggeration going on here. The sky is not falling, but when a state has to cut corners, sometimes you have to look at the humane and logical way at things.
Well, you might want to ask your local representative. He has all of the information. If I am not mistaken he is one of them that got up in front of the legislature with a map showing all of the information. If you think I am just blowing smoke ask him. I actually watch what is going on up there. Can you cite to me anytime that you have actually watched your legislature in action on the floor? That is what is wrong with alot of us here. I am sure that there are alot of people here talking about all to do about nothing. But not me, I watch and listen what is going on.
So go to the source, you don't have to believe me, find out yourself. Miss Westfall might want to look him up too.
ARL,
Please cite some sources to support your comment, "in fact now more money will be diverted toward ALL women's healthcare services" I think you are making all this up. I think you are using fake arguements to support your ideaology, just like all other republicans who want to cut something. You are also bullying people on here who have actual information and experience. So anti-up and show some real soursec that support what you are saying.
Thank our blessed Lord that Mitch is not running for president!!!!! I'm not an Obama fan but (I'm a registered Republican) but Mitch Daniels would rather spend Lord knows how much $$$ on a new road we don't need than to repair the infrastructure we have that is going downhill and he's worried that a few bux might go toward abortion...he should rethink his priorities!
You all must have some kind of stock in Planned Parenthood or something. The only thing that has been cut has been funding or organizations that help Planned Parenthood perform abortions. All of the other services they provide does not change in fact now more money will be diverted toward ALL women's healthcare services. What about this is so hard to understand? The reason they are so worried is because that's where all their money comes from. Abortion is not illegal so a woman can still get an abortion, the difference is that taxpayers, people who donate to United Way, oh and alot of the NEA fees won't be going toward killing babies. Kind of ironic isn't it how Planned Parenthood benefited from our charity. They know if they were to go out there and ask for donations for abortions it wouldn't quite make people in a giving mood.
I'm confused in the usual misinformation....So Planned Parenthood doesn't illegally use money for abortions, yet we passed a law so they couldn't fund abortions.
This is the same garbage Mitch shoved down our throats with local property taxes and school funding. There is plenty of misinformation in this ordeal...first place to look is Mitch Daniels.
If I was a betting man, Mitch wanted this law to undercut Planned Parenthood. He is a crafty politician. Attack them through the media...then cut there funding. The list of institutions and organizations he has done or tried to do this to is piling up. Yet, I still hear all about Obama....I'm not sure Barack holds a candle to Mitch. Thank goodness he isn't running for president.
Oh and Harvey thank you for your service.
Oh and Harvey thank you for your service.
Yes. I know I did not mean abortion either. And did not mean to imply that she did get an abortion. I said many many times that they have other services, right. You know birth control etc...and if you would have paid attention that is what I meant. That is usually why women take birth control is because of a man. Right?
ARL, I do not know what you are talking about. We were not together the time she was going there. Nice assumption though. No where in my post did I say that we were. To the contrary. She was not pregnant at anytime. When we were together, I was in grad school. Sorry, trying to better ourselves. And yes, we did have a baby. A couple years after we were married. We both raise our child. We both work. We both graduated college. We both pay taxes. I was honorably discharged from the military. I think we both have taken responsibility for ourselves. So do not say I brought myself in to a situation or have not taken responsibility. I mentioned a situation that it is not always about abortion. It is about preventative care.
She was in a job at the time that had no insurance(Retail, which she worked all through college), barely over minimum wage. I guess she was wrong to get proper medical care that she could afford. I for one am happy she did receive annual checkups and stayed healthy. Other young people in her situation may not have that same opportunity now.
Harvey, you know you speak of your wife needing services before you were married. I guess I am just wondering where were you? Some of these women wouldn't need to worry about paying for these services if the man filled the void that you all think government should fill! You kind of brought yourself into that one. The last time I checked it takes two people to make a baby.
You are right whatanut, low income men and women can qualify. But you have to make less than a certian amount a month. A person working a minimum wage job and no kids does not qualify. Oh, and have under a certain amount of assets. Under $1,500 last I knew. That is a car and not much else. So yeah, can a single person receive medicaid? yes. Can a person actuallytrying to make it by working, probably not. And lets not even consider the cost of private insurance.
Medicaid pays for many, many low income women to have access to medical attention. You don't have to have children to receive Medicaid. You don't even have to be a woman, men can get it too!
Really, then explain to us why every third pregnancy test there ends in an abortion? Besides, this whole thing just got voted in; and just because they took away funding for abortion it did nothing to take away everything else. Quit trying to use scare tactics to sway people against the law. Besides, yes they get funding from all kinds of organizations for abortions in the state. Look into it or better yet ask one of the representatives who voted for the bill.
So any single woman can still get everything else they did before besides abortions.
I always resist the urge to make comments on here because I believe they fall on deaf ears and go no where. That being said, I find this arguement ridiculous. Planned Parenthood does more than abortions. My wife used their services before we were married. Do the right thing you say? She went to a four year college, graduated, no jobs available. Student loans stacking up, no medical insurance, I guess she should just have not worried about getting proper medical services or being responsible and taking proper precautions not to have a child.
Thankfully, planned parenthood was there to fill in void that was left. Someone in their 20's out of school, and waiting on that first job with decent health insurance needs a service like this. We are saving a dollar that is going to cost us four in the long run. She did what right in mine and in hopefully your mind. It is not just an abortion clinic. You can say there will be this many or that many health clinics in the future, but there is not right now.
Where can a single woman, with low income and no children go to get affordable service? She is not eligable for medicare. No hoosierhealth wise because she has no children. Nothing is there. Healthy Indina is not taking new clients last I heard. Is planned parenthood perfect? I know of no organization that is. But at least they are providing testing, screening and presciptions at a resonable cost to people who otherwise would not have such a service.
Further they are not doing anything illegal. Federal funds are banned from paying for any abortions. As devisive an issue on both sides as it is, do you not think that if they were violting this law, it would have came to light? So if they are not breaking any law, not miss appropriating funds, and providing affordable health care, it makes no sense to do this.
Oh and just so you all know, it was an Obama appointee that ruled against the injunction by Planned Parenthood...a black female judge.
Amen. Whatever happened to doing the RIGHT thing? Not the religious thing. I am sick and tired of that scare tactic being used when there are all kinds of services out there that are there to help women. You don't have to go running to a Planned Parenthood just to find someone who cares! Besides, if Planned Parenthood is such a great organization then they shouldn't be worried about the funding because they will have so many that want to help keep their services going, right?
From your article -As teenage girls we have to experience our first Pap test. It is terrifying without the right support system.
So that support system should come from a government funded abortion clinic? How about family and education for a support system.
Thank you ARL
All you like lil Hahns out there, there are going to be almost 100 community health care clinics around the state to take care of ALL of the women's health care needs. Where Planned Parenthood does not! They say they do....but they don't. Just go into one and ask. Besides, these clinics are also going to be there for any young woman to get the medical attention at whatever income level you are. There are only 26 Planned Parenthood clinics in the state. So you tell me which one will be more available to us?
Oh and all you out there that thinks that abortions should be available on demand, have Planned Parenthood raise the money privately since everyone thinks it is so great! I am sure there will be people running to donate money to kill babies.
Oh yes moral vision is the worst thing ever! people must be nuts not to agree with us liberals that killing a little baby is the same as spending our money on schools. Give me a break!
Very good points, as we all know, no-one from the Religious Right has ever had extra or pre-marital sex, or ever caused an unwanted pregnancy. It is good that we have such people around to enforce their moral vision upon the rest of us.
And consider the economics - of course, paying for unwanted pregancies is much easier on the checkbook than paying for prevention.
And charity forbid that if any such pregnancies do occur, then why would we ever be expected to provide any support for such sinners. Obviously it is much cheaper to pay for the consequences of zero pre-natal care than prevention again.
Whatever we do, let's please ensure that these people of such low moral character have no chance or hope. It will be much easier to spend our money on new prisons, than schools and other such wierd liberal ideas, right?
Agreed John Galt.
"It is not cheap to avoid an unwanted pregnancy [because condoms cost ME money, aren't as much fun, and birth control pills require some responsibility on MY part]." "STD screenings can cost ME up to $100 per test and an epidemic would begin [due to Mitch allowing ME to fornicate with whomever I wish despite MY symptoms]." "Cutting funding for abortion could create 5,000 unwanted pregnancies [since all I really wanted was personal gratification with no strings attached." How dare you religious zealots refuse to pay for ME and MY fun!!
Miss Sabrina, you really must question both sides of the issue before you start making ridiculous accusations. Planned Parenthood are abortion clinics. Just look into how many of their pregnancy tests end in abortion! Most are just worried because they think they are not going to get free birth control! Every third pregnancy test PP does ends in an abortion. There were around 11,000 abortions last year just here in the state of Indiana and out of those Planned Parenthood performed around 5,580 of them.
We know we can't stop abortions from taking place but if it means taking our tax dollars and feeding a needy family or killing a baby.....I'm sorry I would want to feed the needy family.
I'm going to get my job. Apparently, if you don't work, the Government will take care of your kids and you can use your leftover cash to buy an endless supply of Marlboros and Busch Light.
The Health Department has been hit by Mitch too. No more free shots for babies who have insurance. Forget that fact that most insurances don't cover vaccinations. Wonderful. Thanks Mitch.
I still dont see anything wrong with not wanting my money to go toward killing babies
Thank you for a refreshing piece of common sense.
Well said. This wasn't an abortion issue...it was much more than that. I get the issue with abortions...the problem is all the other programs that would be effected directly or indirectly. I just don't see long term thinkers in Indianapolis. They see something they want to change(I actually agree to small degree in regards to abortions), but the ripples or waves those decisions could cause seem to be lost in their political agenda. It reminds me of a movie my kids watch, "Meet the Robinsons", multiple characters continue to tell the villain(not saying Mitch is a villain) that he didn't seem to think his plan through. I get the feeling on most of Mitch's plans.