Commissioners discuss possibly privatizing EMS

Thursday, July 18, 2019

In an effort to address concerns about the staffing of the Greene County Ambulance Service, the Greene County Board of Commissioners have decided to move forward with putting together a proposal to potentially seek a private emergency medical services firm.

Commissioners President Nathan Abrams said due to the Greene County Council’s inability to address the staffing concerns in recent meetings, the commissioners want to be proactive by having a plan in place.

At the April 2019 meeting of the Greene County Council, paramedics with the Greene County Ambulance Service went before the council to address dire staffing concerns that are leaving some of their shifts uncovered -- therefore leaving some trucks unmanned. In an effort to address the public safety concerns, with a lot of discussions, the council voted to approve the 20-year, .2 percent Correctional or Rehabilitation Facilities (CRF) Income Tax. The goal of the newly-imposed CRF tax was to take the pressure off of the Public Safety Tax enacted in January 2018. The jail bonds would be shifted to the CRF, thus allowing the county to use the Public Safety Tax for the narrow scope of public safety officials allowed by law.

In a nearly two-hour special meeting of the council on July 8 to discuss wages for county employees, no decisions were made, thus not passing the raises requested in an effort to retain and attract paramedics.

“Whether it was the inability or unwillingness of the council to do something, that puts the commissioners where we need to do something,” Abrams said.

In order to be proactive, Abrams said the commissioners will be seeking proposals from private emergency medical service companies.

“This didn’t happen on a whim,” Abrams explained, noting a lot of research has already been put in to understanding the numbers surrounding the ambulance service because in addition to the loss of staff, the Greene County Ambulance Service has lost quite a bit of money in the last few years.

Information provided by Auditor Matt Baker, upon request, showed that at the end of 2017, the Ambulance Service had a total fund balance of $528,606.53. At the end of 2018, the fund balance showed $137,146.64. As of this week, the fund has a balance of $771.

“We are not pointing blame at anyone. It’s just the nature of the healthcare system,” Abrams said.

In terms of PERF (retirement) and insurance benefits for the EMS employees, the county paid more than $700,000 -- not including salaries.

Now that the commissioners have decided to move forward with seeking proposals, the Ambulance Board will put together a list of recommendations as to what kind of service Greene County would need from a private company, then work with County Attorney Marvin Abshire to put the specifications together to seek the proposals.

“We don’t have to act on any of them. It doesn’t cost us anything to see what is out there. We are not saying the county EMS is going away or not. We just want to know what our options are. I feel like we need to know what our options are,” Abrams said.

Abrams stressed the importance of the Ambulance Board playing a big part in this process because there are many different scenarios that need to be considered.

The commissioners expect it to be a couple of months before they see the proposals, and they have already discussed some of the pros and cons of bringing in a private company.

One of the concerns about bringing a private EMS company to the county is ensuring Greene County would have proper ambulance coverage when needed. Abrams stressed the county has great ambulance employees now, but the lack of staff is a cause for concern.

“They are not able to provide the service for the county now. That’s one of our concerns about looking at a private company is making sure we get the coverage we need,” Abrams said.

Commissioner Ed Michael, who also serves on the Ambulance Board, said there have been instances where there is as little as one ambulance working to cover the entire county due to staffing issues.

“We’ve been to the point here in the recent past, where we had one ambulance active in the county on duty, and of course Linton Rescue is always on call. But, out of six ambulances, we’ve got one. There are times where we have all of them busy at one time because they are out of the county on transfers, so we had to call an ambulance from another county. It doesn’t happen often but it does happen,” Michael said.

In terms of current employee retention, Abrams said if the county were to move to a private EMS company, he would hope the company would look at the loyal employees already familiar with the county.

Abrams and Michael stressed this seeking of information is not meant to convey a lack of confidence in the current Ambulance Service employees or the Greene County Council, but is instead a means for the Board of Commissioners to continue looking into what is best for its residents.

“We can’t compete with private businesses (salary). They are a for-profit business and they have people in place that understand how to make money.”

Michael noted the Ambulance Board has been trying to operate the department like a business, but as a county entity, that effort isn’t comparable to an actual business.

But, Abrams stressed, this is just the preliminary stages as the board works to ensure the residents of Greene County have ambulance services available. There is no timeline in place to move forward. They are just seeking information about the direction they should take.

“We are looking at this now just to see what’s available. We have to start somewhere because we could be in a corner here real easy so if we have to come up with a different plan, we can. The commissioners are trying to be proactive instead of reactive,” Abrams said.

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  • Gc daily please this public access so anyone that does not have an acct is able to read. This needs to be accessible by EVERYONE!!!! Please please. Thank you!

    -- Posted by people person on Thu, Jul 18, 2019, at 6:45 PM
  • Greene County Daily World this article involves every citizen that lives in Greene County and anyone visiting or coming thru our county! Please make this public access! This ambulance service is a public service supported by the taxpayers. Everyone needs to see this article and then ask questions and demand answers and ask why our elected officials have failed us miserably on this issue! These employees simply ask for a pay raise they haven't seen in over 5 years and are not compensated at the same rate others in the same profession in surrounding counties or even comparable counties are getting paid. There is absolutely NO reason why the ambulance budget is down to 700 dollars a little over halfway thru the year! Especially when they are supposed to get reimbursements for the runs they go on. This is nothing more than mismanagement of funds. POLITICIANS SHAME ON YOU for not working together and coming up with a better solution than this for the citizens and your emoyployees! What was all this about forming a "wages and employee retention board"? Sounds like to me it should have been a "Ambulance RIF and Politician Retention Board"

    -- Posted by tellitlikeitis01 on Thu, Jul 18, 2019, at 9:56 PM
  • If the commissioners choose to sell out the ambulance service, I can guarantee the next step will be selling the hospital. Even if that isn’t the current plan, if you have an ambulance service that isn’t county-owned, do you really think they’re going to take most patients to GCGH? No. They won’t.

    Instead of wasting time on this, the commissioners need to figure out the root of the problem. Why is there no money? Poor judgment by commissioners? Bad financial decisions by the ambulance director? Incorrect coding and billing? There has to be a reason for the drastic decline in funds, so find it. The whole, “We are not pointing blame at anyone; it’s just the nature of the healthcare system.” Is a lie. Healthcare is incredibly profitable, when managed correctly.

    -- Posted by Greenebean on Thu, Jul 18, 2019, at 10:36 PM
  • If the county can’t afford to pay their employees, then how can they pay for a private ambulance service, unless the people of Greene County will pay the ambulance service and the commissioners will use this money for their pet projects.

    -- Posted by onlyingreenetucky on Fri, Jul 19, 2019, at 8:10 PM
    Response by Patti Danner, Staff Writer, Greene Co. Daily World:
    The county would not be paying, that's the whole point of privatizing. If you're not familiar with the term, it means "to transfer from public or government control or ownership to private enterprise", meaning the service would be owned and run by a private company and not any form of government. Hope this helps and thanks for reading :-)
  • In the county I live a township went to the “private company”

    Guess what —- service is horrid, to add on holidays it is closed and covered by other groups. And it was horrible as the 911 time was in the 45 minute response.

    The cost is horrible. They are qualified medics and paramedics.

    Biggest issue they cannot provide staff to keep the station on standby. Oh, they want more money to do the contacted rate.

    BEWARE

    -- Posted by Equipmentguy on Fri, Jul 19, 2019, at 8:42 PM
  • But we'll throw tons of money at a new jail (along with maintenance, staff, and utilities). Priorities ought to be brought into question.

    -- Posted by Thought 4 today on Sat, Jul 20, 2019, at 7:48 AM
  • Sounds like very poor management . There are caring , experienced people that work the EMS . We are lucky to have them in our county . The hospital will be next because they already have bad management in place.

    -- Posted by Laker4 on Sun, Jul 21, 2019, at 8:42 PM
  • Your officials should go visit the rural area the company is providing service at being considered - and not tell the prospective company. You might get a surprise. Especially if they are in Hamilton County.

    -- Posted by Equipmentguy on Mon, Jul 22, 2019, at 6:37 PM
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